Legislature(2003 - 2004)

02/05/2004 01:40 PM House FIN

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                   HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                      
                      February 05, 2004                                                                                         
                          1:40 P.M.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
 TAPE HFC 04 - 20, Side A                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 Vice-Chair Meyer called the House Finance Committee meeting                                                                    
 to order at 1:40 P.M.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
 MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
 Representative John Harris, Co-Chair                                                                                           
 Representative Bill Williams, Co-Chair                                                                                         
 Representative Kevin Meyer, Vice-Chair                                                                                         
 Representative Mike Chenault                                                                                                   
 Representative Eric Croft                                                                                                      
 Representative Hugh Fate                                                                                                       
 Representative Richard Foster                                                                                                  
 Representative Mike Hawker                                                                                                     
 Representative Reggie Joule                                                                                                    
 Representative Carl Moses                                                                                                      
 Representative Bill Stoltze                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
 None                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
 ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 Steven Porter, Deputy Commissioner, Department of Revenue.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
 PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Harold C. Heinze, Chief Executive Officer, Alaska Natural                                                                      
 Gas Pipeline Authority (ANGDA).                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 GENERAL SUBJECT(S):                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
The following overview was taken in log note format.  Tapes                                                                     
and handouts will be on file with the House Finance                                                                             
Committee through the 23rd Legislative Session, contact 465-                                                                    
2156. After the 23rd Legislative Session they will be                                                                           
available through the Legislative Library at 465-3808.                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
               OVERVIEW:  DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE                                                                               
                 NATURAL GAS PIPELINE ISSUES                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
LOG SPEAKER                 DISCUSSION                                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
      TAPE HFC 04 - 20                                                                                                        
      SIDE A                                                                                                                  
000   Vice-Chair Meyer      Convened House Finance  Committee at 1:40                                                           
                            p.m.                                                                                              
015 STEVEN PORTER,          Spoke to the Governor's position on the                                                             
      DEPUTY COMMISSIONER,  Stranded Gas  Act and the  Alaska Natural                                                           
      DEPARTMENT of         Gas Development Authority (ANGDA). To                                                               
      REVENUE               illustrate ANGDA's role, presented an                                                               
                            analogy in which the state owns the field                                                           
                            and  leases  it to  a  private  party  to                                                           
                            produce a product.   When the  product is                                                           
                            ready  for  harvest, the  owner  and  the                                                           
                            private party derive revenue. The private                                                           
                            party could take the product to market by                                                           
                            buying the trucks or  building the fleet,                                                           
                            or by hiring a  trucking company, similar                                                           
                            to the  recent proposal  by Mid  America.                                                           
                            Independent operators  could deliver  the                                                           
                            product to the smaller  communities along                                                           
                            the  route.   He   stated  that   ANGDA's                                                           
                            greatest  strength  is  to  look  at  the                                                           
                            potential benefits to the state.                                                                  
458 Mr. Porter              Noted that several bills are before the                                                             
                            legislature,   with    one   recommending                                                           
                            funding at $2.15 million.                                                                         
532 Mr. Porter              Recommended that the funding be increased                                                           
                            to $3 million  and be expanded to  a team                                                           
                            including  the  Department  of  Law,  the                                                           
                            Department of Natural  Resources, and the                                                           
                            Department  of  Revenue.  Explained  that                                                           
                            additional work may be required under the                                                           
                            Stranded  Gas  Act  to   respond  to  the                                                           
                            applications. The appropriation  would be                                                           
                            housed in the Department of Revenue.                                                              
617 Mr. Porter              The Alaska Natural Gas Development                                                                  
                            Authority was developed with the specific                                                           
                            mission of  looking  at bringing  natural                                                           
                            gas from the  North Slope to  Valdez with                                                           
                            the possibility of a spur  to Cook Inlet.                                                           
                            In hindsight, the Administration believes                                                           
                            that ANGDA should have been an all-Alaska                                                           
                            authority with  a focus  on independents.                                                           
                            He  recommended  legislative  changes  to                                                           
                            address this expansion in ANGDA.                                                                  
758 Mr. Porter              Recommended extending the deadline from                                                             
                            mid-June and directing the ANGDA to focus                                                           
                            on a broader range of issues.                                                                     
927   HAROLD C. HEINZE,     Stated that he feels  encouraged that the                                                           
      CHIEF EXECUTIVE       $2.15 million request is being supported.                                                           
      OFFICER, ALASKA       Some of the issues would be brought to                                                              
      NATURAL GAS PIPELINE  the Board,  who will  make a  decision on                                                           
      AUTHORITY (ANGDA)     modifying their  mission.   He felt  that                                                         
                            the  Board  would  look favorably  on  the                                                          
                            requests brought forth by Mr. Porter.                                                             
 1055 Vice-Chair Meyer      Questioned if the Administration expected                                                           
                            a  contract by  the end of  session or  by                                                          
                            mid-June.                                                                                         
 1107 Mr. Porter            Explained that while the Governor is                                                                
                            committed   to  expediting  the   project,                                                          
                            ANGDA  would take the time to acquire  the                                                          
                            knowledge  needed  to benefit  the  state.                                                          
                            The  Administration would  like to  extend                                                          
                            ANGDA's  report deadline  of mid-June  for                                                          
                            the  Valdez  development  plan  and  other                                                          
                            issues.                                                                                           
 1243 Representative        Questioned where the extra funding would                                                            
      Chenault              go in the Governor's request for $3                                                                 
                            million.                                                                                          
 1306 Mr. Porter            Explained that the total $3 million would                                                           
                            be  spent for  different  analyses by  the                                                          
                            three  departments  to bring  the  project                                                          
                            forward.  He did  not  have specifics  but                                                          
                            indicated     the    funding    is     for                                                          
                            contingencies,  for  tariff  and  contract                                                          
                            issues,  and  for research  analysis.  The                                                          
                            allocation would  be judiciously spent and                                                          
                            would allow options.                                                                              
 1440 Mr. Porter            Further clarified that the business plan                                                            
                            presented by Mr.  Heinze did not take into                                                          
                            consideration    negotiations    by    the                                                          
                            Governor.                                                                                         
 1532 Mr. Porter            Stated that there are issues in the                                                                 
                            business  plan that  are  not critical  to                                                          
                            the next stage of negotiations.                                                                   
 1603 Representative        Spoke in support of an all-Alaska                                                                   
      Chenault              Authority. He added that all viable                                                                 
                            options should be pursued.                                                                        
 1636 Representative Fate   Questioned   the   pursuit  of   portions,                                                          
                            asking asked how  the Authority would work                                                          
                            out   the   portions    to   reach   their                                                          
                            objective.                                                                                        
 1723 Mr. Porter            Observed that independents have many                                                                
                            options   depending   on  the   commercial                                                          
                            negotiations.  ANGDA must  do whatever  is                                                          
                            necessary  to  participate in  the  future                                                          
                            contracts.                                                                                        
 1825 Representative Fate   Asserted  that there  are portions of  the                                                          
                            initiative itself  [Ballot Measure 3] that                                                          
                            cannot be negotiated.                                                                             
 1921 Mr. Porter            Explained that the Stranded Gas Act as it                                                           
                            exists  does not  allow  the Authority  to                                                          
                            participate  as  thoroughly  as  it  would                                                          
                            like.    The   tax-exempt   status,    the                                                          
                            financing   issues    and   the   benefits                                                        
                            analysis have been identified  and should                                                           
                            be thoroughly evaluated.                                                                          
2044 Mr. Heinze             Gave   examples   of    significant   new                                                           
                            opportunities for the  Authority to carry                                                           
                            out its basic mission.  Stated that it is                                                           
                            essential to  understand  the benefit  to                                                           
                            Alaskans.  Analysis of  a  couple of  the                                                           
                            opportunities   is   contemplated,   with                                                           
                            further support from the Legislature.                                                             
2234 Mr. Heinze             Continued, there are opportunities to                                                               
                            improve the  likelihood  of success.  The                                                           
                            next  Board  meeting   would  review  the                                                           
                            issues, and  make a decision  on shifting                                                           
                            energies  to  address  alternatives  that                                                           
                            didn't exist a month ago.                                                                         
2350 Representative         Observed that the $2.15 million for ANGDA                                                           
      Hawker                would be increased to $3 million to                                                                 
                            accomplish the work of  ANGDA. Questioned                                                           
                            if  there   are  activities   that  would                                                           
                            supplant  ANGDA's  previous   outline  of                                                           
                            activities, or if new activities would be                                                           
                            added and prioritized.                                                                            
2522 Mr. Porter             Explained that the intent is to look at a                                                           
                            different  approach,   amounting  to   $3                                                           
                            million   and    taking   into    account                                                           
                            contingencies.   Emphasized  the   multi-                                                           
                            billion dollar  scale of the  project and                                                           
                            the importance of being prepared.                                                                 
2708 Representative         Observed that there were a number of                                                                
      Hawker                activities relating to project viability                                                            
                            in  Mr. Heinze's  previous  presentation.                                                           
                            Noted that  items for  $500 thousand  and                                                           
                            $750 thousand  seemed related  to project                                                           
                            construction. He questioned if the intent                                                           
                            of the  Authority  would be  to focus  on                                                           
                            viability     issues      rather     than                                                           
                           construction.                                                                                      
2837 Mr. Porter             Agreed that the focus is on project                                                                 
                            viability  issues,   especially  if   the                                                           
                            issues   complement  the   proposed   gas                                                           
                            pipeline on the Alaska Highway route, and                                                           
                            if  the issues  bring  resources  to  the                                                           
                            table to  decrease  the  cost of  service                                                           
                            while   increasing   the    benefits   to                                                           
                            Alaskans.                                                                                         
2914 Mr. Porter             In   response    to    a   question    by                                                           
                            Representative  Hawker about  integrating                                                           
                            the  proposals,  pointed   out  that  the                                                           
                            result cannot be chosen.                                                                          
2942 Vice-Chair Meyer       Asked if the funding request would be                                                               
                            added to a supplemental budget.                                                                   
3002 Mr. Porter             Explained that legislation before the                                                               
                            Senate could  provide the funding  to the                                                         
                            Department  of  Revenue.   The  department                                                          
                            recommends  revising the  bill to  include                                                          
                           the increase.                                                                                      
 3030 Representative Croft   Questioned why ANGDA was not mentioned in                                                          
                            the   Governor's  speech   to  the   Joint                                                          
                            Session [2/2/04].                                                                                 
 3103 Mr. Porter            Replied that the Governor's focus was on                                                            
                            the  Stranded  Gas   Act  while  ANGDA  is                                                          
                            focused on implementation.                                                                        
 3141 Representative Croft   Asked why there should be more confidence                                                          
                            in  giving  the  funding directly  to  the                                                          
                            Department  of  Revenue,  given  that  the                                                          
                            Governor's    attitude   has   not    been                                                          
                            supportive of ANGDA.                                                                              
 3300 Mr. Porter            Pointed out that the Governor was silent                                                            
                            during   the  negotiations   because   the                                                          
                            Administration   was  not  able  to  share                                                          
                            information  with  the  public.  He  added                                                          
                            that  ANGDA would be  part of the team  to                                                          
                            move the project  forward. The Governor is                                                          
                            supportive  of ANGDA,  which he needs  for                                                          
                            the feasibility analysis.                                                                         
 3520 Representative Croft  Questioned  why   the  Governor  took  six                                                          
                            months to appoint the ANGDA Board.                                                                
 3544 Mr. Porter            Argued that the Governor did not delay.                                                           
 3617 Representative Croft  Summarized  that   the  funding  would  be                                                          
                            disbursed   through   the  Governor,   and                                                          
                            stated  that it  is important  to know  if                                                          
                            ANGDA  would be provided with the  funding                                                          
                            needed   to   support  its   mission.   He                                                          
                            expressed    that    the    Administration                                                          
                            actively  opposed  ANGDA for  the first  6                                                          
                            months   to  a  year  and  only   provided                                                          
                            sufficient  funding to support the  hiring                                                          
                            of Mr. Heinze.                                                                                    
 3753 Mr. Porter            Pointed out that he has been the liaison                                                            
                            for   ANGDA  since  it  was  created   and                                                          
                            unwavering  in  his support.    Continued,                                                          
                            the  Governor  supported   the  additional                                                          
                            $200  thousand appropriation [through  the                                                          
                            Legislative  Budget  and Audit  Committee]                                                          
                            last   fall.   He  maintained   that   the                                                          
                            Administration  was supportive when  ANGDA                                                          
                            was focused on viability issues.                                                                  
 3920 Representative Croft  Continued   to  question  the   Governor's                                                          
                            intent.                                                                                           
 4009 Mr. Porter            Emphasized that the independent ANGDA                                                               
                            Board  must decide  if they are  confident                                                          
                            in  the  Governor's  support.  Mr.  Porter                                                          
                            will  make the same recommendation at  the                                                          
                            board meeting on 2/9/04.                                                                          
 4132 Representative Croft  Reiterated      that     Mr.      Porter's                                                        
                            recommendation would increase the funding                                                           
                            from $2.15 to $3 million, move beyond the                                                           
                            Valdez project  to  consider all  Alaskan                                                           
                            routes, and change the reporting deadline                                                           
                            of mid-June.                                                                                      
4201 Mr. Heinze             Stated that he would recommend the                                                                  
                            contracts that  would be  needed and  Mr.                                                           
                            Porter  would  continue in  his  role  of                                                           
                            contract reviewer.  Asserted that  he had                                                           
                            confidence  in his  working  relationship                                                           
                            with Mr. Porter  and emphasized  the need                                                           
                            to move forward.                                                                                  
      ADJOURNMENT           The meeting was adjourned at 2:26 P.M.                                                            
                                                                                                                                

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